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Lady Skank Ban Evasion inc	Posted - 2011.03.11 11:01:00 - [1] When will the tsunami hit the other side of the ocean? This disaster has only just begun.
Lady Skank Ban Evasion inc	Posted - 2011.03.11 11:26:00 - [2] Originally by: Louis deGuerre Originally by: Lady Skank When will the tsunami hit the other side of the ocean? This disaster has only just begun. http://tvnewsradio.com/blog/internet-tv/japan-tsunami-watch-and-follow-live-streaming-and-real-time-updates/ "The wave may be higher than some pacific islands" Apparently a nuclear reactor is on fire as well. BBC news mentioned they have a problem with a Nuclear reactors cooling system and that four others have been shut down, there is a huge fire burning at an oil refinery to.
Lady Skank Ban Evasion inc	Posted - 2011.03.11 13:13:00 - [3] Originally by: Wendat Huron Originally by: Siona Windweaver Originally by: Narisa Bithon better start a plex collection so While I sympathize with Japanese people, their government is wealthy enough to cover all the expenses. While hundred millions of other people suffering from hunger every day, starting an aid campaign to Japan seems... Well... What every troll doesn't get that charity i.e plex is for people who cannot help themselves and or isn't getting help from their inept or indifferent government. Japan can deal with this on their own. A lot of poor countries have/are being buried under the wall of water from the tsunami though so a PLEX collection could be funneled to the charities helping those people out.
Lady Skank Ban Evasion inc	Posted - 2011.03.11 14:35:00 - [4] Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Lady Skank A lot of poor countries have/are being buried under the wall of water from the tsunami though so a PLEX collection could be funneled to the charities helping those people out. So far the wave is around 50cm tall in the other places it hit. Looks like most of the energy was directed at japan but we will know for sure when it starts to hit the smaller islands. Half a metre is more than enough to cause huge loss of life and homelessness and leave an aftermath of disease and starvation.
Lady Skank Ban Evasion inc	Posted - 2011.03.14 19:55:00 - [5] Originally by: Thuranni Edited by: Thuranni on 14/03/2011 18:52:19 Originally by: Cpt Advile one of the pluses in this case vs Chernobyl is that the fuel in these reactors has a half-life of only 3 days. No, you know what one of the pluses of this vs Chernobyl is? Chernobyl was a major freaking disaster which released a ****ton of radioactive particles into the atmosphere, this is a relative non-event which will only result in some reactors being decommissioned, and the only reason that anyone outside of Japan even knows about this is the shock-hungry media which will blow literally anything out of proportion. Comparing this in any way to Chernobyl is just dumb. The scale of this accident is nothing like Chernobyl but claiming that exploding reactors are a non event is also dumb.
Lady Skank Ban Evasion inc	Posted - 2011.03.17 04:25:00 - [6] Where are all the posters claiming that one of the worst nuclear disasters in history is a complete "non event"? Many countries seem to be taking it very seriously and advising both nationals and ex-pats to return home and the exclusion zone they are recommending is much larger than the one Japanese authorities recommend. A Russian nuclear safety expert gave an interview to the BBC and he stated that the spent fuel rod pool was placed to close to the reactors and was an obvious cost cutting measure that made this incident much worse. However this mess turns out once the immediate problem is solved and the reactors are under control there will be a lot of questions about the safety of the plants and asking if there was anything that could or should have been done that could have limited the damage or even have prevented it from happening in the first place.
Lady Skank Ban Evasion inc	Posted - 2011.03.19 14:40:00 - [7] The food supply is irradiated so dairy and agricultural farmers in the reactors area have been banned from selling produce, that area is probably polluted from decades at minimum if not millennia so those farmers livelihood is ruined forever.
Lady Skank Ban Evasion inc	Posted - 2011.03.20 03:25:00 - [8] Originally by: digitalwanderer Edited by: digitalwanderer on 20/03/2011 02:50:57 Originally by: Deviana Sevidon Edited by: Deviana Sevidon on 19/03/2011 12:11:55 A partial meltdown has probably already happened. The fuel rods are also slowly cooling down with every hour because the chain reaction comes to a halt, so it will probably not become another chernobyl. The danger is still very high with chances of further hydrogen explosions and holes in the reactors containment that might release additional radioactive material. So far I would say that Japan is safe. The main problems are that those fuel rods need to be cooled for months....They don't cool down in a matter of days,and that applies to the spent fuel rods in the pools and the ones still in the reactors themselves. It also remains to be seen if the water pumps within the power station, as well as all the pipes and all control systems are still in working order after having gone thru that massive earthquake and tsunami and several hydrogen explosions, so it's good that they've managed to get an emergency power line, but it's by no means a given that the equipement will work and the flyovers with helicopters are a hail mary pass that's only partially effective...Same for the water cannons from the fire trucks. Even if the water pumps at the station itself do work and fill up the water pools and reactor cores, there's still going to be hydrogen build up as the rods are cooled down, and that hydrogen is radioactively charged, and the same goes for the reactor containment vessel if it's damaged and no longer insulates the reactor.....It'll basically still keep leaking radioactive particles even if the fuel rods are kept cool and avoid a complete meltdown, so a method has to be devised to re-seal it and that means people getting really close to it and suffering massive radiation exposure in the process. This incident might not be a full blown meltdown like Chernobyl, but it'll still keep leaking radiation for weeks and maybe even months until the problem is fully solved, so what we're seeing right now is just the tip of the iceberg. One of the reactors must be breached, the admitted one core may be exposed and the news footage showed them firing a water cannons into a damaged outer containment building. They where not firing water at the cooling pond so it seems they are trying to cool exposed rods, it was the same reactor they tried water bombing from the air, that image was very reminiscent of Chernobyl and the radiation was so bad they had to abort the bombing because the helicopters where being exposed to dangerous levels of radiation. It is very obvious the Japanese authorities are down playing the situation to avoid panic, it remains to be seen just how bad this really is but at the very least the area for several square miles around Fukushima will be heavily contaminated. Here is an interesting report about how the workers being firmly asked (coerced maybe?) into keeping quiet about how bad it really is and how the power company attempting to discourage reporters from intervening the workers and their families at the main evacuation center.
Lady Skank Ban Evasion inc	Posted - 2011.03.20 13:20:00 - [9] Edited by: Lady Skank on 20/03/2011 13:20:07 Originally by: Selinate Edited by: Selinate on 20/03/2011 12:14:52 Originally by: Grimpak my mistake then. I do agree with you on people crying end of the world about this tho. Radiation was released yes, but this is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay below the levels of chernobyl. Maybe a bit higher than Three Mile, but not much of a difference. also no deaths reported till now, and cases of human radiation poisoning are mild afaik? radiation poisoning? I haven't even heard of any radiation levels high enough to produce radiation poisoning. The biggest problem with radiation so far is the contaminated food, even though it wasn't that high and the Japanese government was considering stopping shipments from the contaminated farmland. The reason why this is by far the biggest problem (even though it's not that big of a problem at all, really, since the radiation level is so low and would only take a few days to break down to unnoticeable levels) is that your GI tract is generally much more susceptible to radiation damage. But they're acting like a responsible government, and how the nuclear industry always reacts to any level of contamination (no matter how minuscule), and taking every step possible to prevent any problems due to radiation from happening. As far as radiation outside of the GI tract? Hi, I've held a small ball of cesium-137 in my hand before. Cancer free for 2 years now. Have you actually been to Japan and measured the amount of radiation yourself? please post the results and make some vids and take some pics because I'm sure many here would like to see them. The British embassy has begun giving anti radiating meds to nationals and expats that live in Tokyo so radiation there must be higher than the official "barely above background levels" the Japanese authorities claim.
Lady Skank Ban Evasion inc	Posted - 2011.03.20 13:35:00 - [10] Originally by: Selinate Originally by: Lady Skank Have you actually been to Japan and measured the amount of radiation yourself? please post the results and make some vids and take some pics because I'm sure many here would like to see them. The British embassy has begun giving anti radiating meds to nationals and expats that live in Tokyo so radiation there must be higher than the official "barely above background levels" the Japanese authorities claim. Hi, would you like your tinfoil hat now or later? Also, inferring what radiation levels are from what folks are doing as preventative measures isn't that intelligent. There are morons in California stocking up on Iodine right now, does that mean that the radiation levels in California are enough to be worried about? not even ing close Put your head in the sand all you want but I will post a small quote from a independent review about radioactive discharges after the Sizewell B incident, "there is no threshold of exposure below which risk become zero" Check the PDF of the report out

Lady Skank Ban Evasion inc	Posted - 2011.03.20 13:44:00 - [11] Edited by: Lady Skank on 20/03/2011 13:46:31 Originally by: Selinate Edited by: Selinate on 20/03/2011 13:39:08 Originally by: Lady Skank Originally by: Selinate Originally by: Lady Skank Have you actually been to Japan and measured the amount of radiation yourself? please post the results and make some vids and take some pics because I'm sure many here would like to see them. The British embassy has begun giving anti radiating meds to nationals and expats that live in Tokyo so radiation there must be higher than the official "barely above background levels" the Japanese authorities claim. Hi, would you like your tinfoil hat now or later? Also, inferring what radiation levels are from what folks are doing as preventative measures isn't that intelligent. There are morons in California stocking up on Iodine right now, does that mean that the radiation levels in California are enough to be worried about? not even ing close Put your head in the sand all you want but I will post a small quote from a independent review about radioactive discharges after the Sizewell B incident, "there is no threshold of exposure below which risk become zero" Check the PDF of the report out Then by your logic you should stop entering concrete buildings, never fly in a plane, never go out when it rains, stop eating bananas, and never get an x-ray again. My logic? the quote relates to radioactive discharges from a nuclear plant not every day background levels, the report states that ANY level of discharge from a nuclear plant carries a risk. It was a counterpoint to your claim that discharges from nuclear plants where safe. Stop straw manning by deliberately taking things out of context.
Lady Skank Ban Evasion inc	Posted - 2011.03.20 13:51:00 - [12] Edited by: Lady Skank on 20/03/2011 13:50:50 Originally by: Selinate Originally by: Lady Skank My logic? the quote relates to radioactive discharges from a nuclear plant not every day background levels, the report states that [i]ANY[/b] level of discharge from a nuclear plant carries a risk. It was a counterpoint to your claim that discharges from nuclear plants where safe. Stop straw manning by deliberately taking things out of context. Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize that the radiation that comes from nuclear reactors is special radiation. How foolish of me. (Hint, it's not special) I wont reply to your posts anymore because you are simply a R374RD.
Lady Skank Ban Evasion inc	Posted - 2011.03.20 17:33:00 - [13] Originally by: Selinate Edited by: Selinate on 20/03/2011 14:31:25 Originally by: Lady Skank Originally by: Selinate Originally by: Lady Skank My logic? the quote relates to radioactive discharges from a nuclear plant not every day background levels, the report states that [i]ANY[/b] level of discharge from a nuclear plant carries a risk. It was a counterpoint to your claim that discharges from nuclear plants where safe. Stop straw manning by deliberately taking things out of context. Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize that the radiation that comes from nuclear reactors is special radiation. How foolish of me. (Hint, it's not special) I wont reply to your posts anymore because you are simply an R374RD. NO YOU! But seriously, you've shown your ignorance of nuclear reactors through your post. You think I'm straw-manning? I'm not. The fact that you don't realize this only proves that you are absolutely ignorant on the topic (as most people are). Nuclear reactors aren't cars. They're not air planes. You can't do 30 minutes worth of research and get even a very rough idea of how they work. You and the others who have posted things in this thread that would make the actual experts cry tears of blood prove that. The sad thing is that you can't argue with the ignorant, especially when they're convinced they're right. So go ahead, and stop replying to my posts. If anyone wants to do detailed research, however, they'll find out that I'm right. EDIT: It also seems that you're the one stupidly taking things out of context. That paper refers to any dosage carrying risk in reference to the assumption they're making to do their analysis. Truth: there's no proof of a linear relationship with respect to health risks at all radiation levels like they are claiming. It's just one of the nuclear safety groups (I forget which, probably the NRC) that makes this assumption when making risk assessments, since it's a fairly conservative estimation. You are straw manning the argument because you:- Responded to "A foreign government agency handing out anti radiation meds in Tokyo" with "dumb people in california are buying them" where was the logcal rebbutle explaining why the British government is acting prematurly. Here is some more straw manning:- You responded to me quouting an offical report (with source) that states any discharge from a nuclear power plant comes with zero risks with some prattle about my logic means that we should hide from daily life. This then got better and you rambeled on with:- I tried to explain how the report had nothing to do with background levels of radiation and was focused purely with the high levels of contaminated radioactive particles associated with discharges from power plants (an exposed reactor core which is completely out of control certainly stretches the bounds of discharge) with the radiation from power plant isn't "special radiation" (whatever the hell that means) You are the only Special thing here. I could go back and quote the pages of your straw manning and other gibberish about how one of the largest nuclear accidents in the world ever with the second largest exclusion zone is not a bad thing but I wont bother because you simply don't get it, you think you understand this on some deeper level but you are just a R374RD3D guy spewing nonsense onto the Internet. I tried to explain it and even included sources but you would rather respond with straw manning and gibberish. If its so safe why don't you fly over and go and spend a few days in the exclusion zone, chill out and drink some wine and local food and spend some time with the few terrified locals that are left?
Lady Skank Ban Evasion inc	Posted - 2011.03.21 01:36:00 - [14] Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Grimpak tbh both sides of the argument are being totally bonkers on this Never realised we had so many experts Doesnt need an expert to realise something is going very wrong at that plant when an exposed reactor core is spewing enough radiation to make it unsafe to overfly let alone hang around near it and when authorities are both down playing yet simultaneously increasing the exclusion zone steadily while foreign governments are telling everybody to leave Japan now and some handing out anti radiation meds to people waiting for flights or cant/wont leave. I am with Grimpak when he says its not another Chernobyl but not a simple nuclear accident, I am just arguing with simpletons like selinate who are convinced its all perfectly safe. I am pro nuclear power btw and I don't believe incompetence in the industry is helping and covering up when bad things do happen exacerbates it.
Lady Skank Ban Evasion inc	Posted - 2011.03.24 11:28:00 - [15] Originally by: Hoya en Marland Edited by: Hoya en Marland on 23/03/2011 23:51:59 "Experts" are omgwtf surprised again. And that power plant is still releasing radioactive materials into the environment... -------------------------------- Japanese authorities have detected a concentration of a radioactive substance 1,600 times higher than normal in soil at a village, 40 kilometers away from the troubled nuclear power plant in Fukushima Prefecture. The disaster task force in Fukushima composed of the central and local governments surveyed radioactive substances in soil about 5 centimeters below the surface at 6 locations around the plant from last Friday through Tuesday. The results announced on Wednesday show that 163,000 becquerels of radioactive cesium-137 per kilogram of soil has been detected in Iitate Village, about 40 kilometers northwest of the plant. Gakushuin University Professor Yasuyuki Muramatsu, an expert on radiation in the environment, says that normal levels of radioactive cesium-137 in soil are around 100 becquerels at most. The professor says he was surprised at the extremely high reading, which is 1,630 times higher than normal levels. He warns that since radioactive cesium remains in the environment for about 30 years it could affect agricultural products for a long time. -------------------------------- source: NHK news Be quiet fool! that's totally normal, you get that much radiation from living in a concrete building. Sheesh some people just get freaked out but I put that much Cesium-137 on my sandwich for fun!
Lady Skank Ban Evasion inc	Posted - 2011.03.24 13:03:00 - [16] It wouldn't surprise me if that contamination is unrelated to the accident at fukushima and is simply evidence of longer term contamination from general nuclear industry because most nuclear plants tend to slightly contaminate the areas around them. It was probably not publicized or even noticed until now much the same way as huge portions of the Scottish northern coast have much higher levels of radioactive particles.
Lady Skank Ban Evasion inc	Posted - 2011.03.29 23:44:00 - [17] Originally by: Deviana Sevidon [sarcasm] Sure, dangerous amounts of radioactive substances were never released from the damaged reactors. The traces of plutonium found in the soil are also totally harmless and only found because some evil green eco-terrorists planted the evidence. It is a conspiracy. [/sarcasm] You are silly because its all perfectly safe and you can even eat Cesium sandwiches /Serious business The traces of plutonium could have been released from the spent fuel cooling pond that caught fire as well as from a reactor breech but with the protests getting underway now the power company and the Japanese government will probably be even more economical with the truth than they already are.

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